Is it fair game to say why you didn't vote for artwork in a challenge while voting is still open? Or to a lesser extent why you did vote.

You might influence others decision and change the outcome of the challenge. I ask because I vote before looking at others top 3. Then I go for a look at the other votes.

A few times recently when reading the X-Factor style voting I've felt a little like it might have manipulated my votes if I'd read it all first.

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Actually i agree with this, i don't vote as i run the challenges, but often i read a crit in the final and think 'oh yeah i didn't notice that', which then does shine a light on an error or something.

and the rules state....

'Your final entry should be posted in this thread: Post all comments, crits, sacrifices, and all WIPs (required for entry) in the WIP thread'

Of course it's nice to offer feedback, however not in the final where there is nothing that can be done about it.

What does everyone think? if the majority agree i'll put a line in the rules.

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If people offer crits and reasons for their votes, other people complain that the comments influence the following votes.

If people don't give crits and reasons for their votes, other people complain that they don't know why everyone was voting the way they did, and that they don't get any feedback about their entries.

"All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."

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what has gone before will become again....

or summat.

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Harlequin:

Is it fair game to say why you didn't vote for artwork in a challenge while voting is still open? Or to a lesser extent why you did vote.

You might influence others decision and change the outcome of the challenge. I ask because I vote before looking at others top 3. Then I go for a look at the other votes.

A few times recently when reading the X-Factor style voting I've felt a little like it might have manipulated my votes if I'd read it all first.

Hmm..I got it. It wont happened again. because its of me you speaking aren't you?

 Kazky - Im sorry I didn't notice that the rules have changed. In previous challenges the critiques and comments were welcome. I overlooked that part.  LIke i said it wont happen again.

 Cheers

 

Well I think you had a very good point Ghost. I didn't follow the wip thread all the way through so it may well be that you gave the advise there too?

I don't think you had an agenda besides being helpful.

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Harlequin:

 Well I think you had a very good point Ghost. I didn't follow the wip thread all the way through so it may well be that you gave the advise there too?

And again point taken. Unfortunately im not quite active in WIPs. I will ty to get better at that.

 

 

Harlequin:

I don't think you had an agenda besides being helpful.

Well i thank you for understanding that. Indeed no agenda was intended

Regards, Ghost

Sorry Ghost it wasn't my intention to seem sarcastic in anyway and really my thoughts were more in the past than specifically this challenge.

For what it's worth I really liked your take on the challenge. Nice epic scale and on the money with the retro feel.

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I do believe crits, comments and advice belong in the WIP segment/section rather than adding them to the Final Entry thread(s) that are strictly there for the finish product/voting.

I have been a member on one forum years ago that had a system; the WIP thread was open from date a- date b, then locked after the deadline passes.  The Final Entry thread would be opened for the last submission of the final product- the mod/owner kept the thread clean by removing comments or crits as the pieces were uploaded into the final thread and locking it after (I believe) a couple of days to prevent any comments from being added. 

It did help keep voting impartial- if you wanted to read the "crits" of a piece you would have ot go into the WIP thread. 

**edit, because I *do* know how to schpell.  Really.

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"The only difference between a rut and a grave, is the depth." ~Me.

Dont be sorry. You have no reason to. :) Its all good. I probably shouldn't have done it anyway.

And thank you for your kind words about my entry.  I still think it needs more work.

aww ghost you posted some comments, but there are others that have posted comments, i didn't really take any notice, but i do delete any comments in the final that are not votes or entries.The rules haven't changed, that line has been in there for ages, but at some point someone asked that people offer crits, so you weren't wrong really.

i don't think it would work where i opened the final thread at a certain time, people work at different pace and my have a piece finished after a day or two, if it was locked until a certain time, they'd be sure to forget to post. 

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I remember the last time I offered a crit in the finals thread. The recipient ripped me a new one for doing it after the challenge (and voting) had ended haha. Everyone is different.

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AlReidArt.com
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Oh my. I almost always comment on the voting thread.

I always assumed people wanted to hear critiques, regardless of where they are posted. While comments on the voting thread may be "too late" to help someone improve a piece and win, it's the most convenient place to round up one's thoughts about the entries. In fact, I get annoyed when there are no comments, because I like to know how I failed to capture the viewer, or how my piece is inferior to others.

And if comments influence someone else's vote, isn't that important too? If an art noob comes in and votes based on his under-developed artistic sensibilities, how is that more virtuous than teaching him something about how to look at art? By allowing comments, not only does the artist get valuable feedback, but so do the voters. Disallowing comments at voting time has the effect of excusing mistakes by not calling them out, and of rewarding inferior art by allowing it to succeed due to lack of viewer understanding. To that I say Boo hiss.

For me, the bottom line is always learning how to be a better artist. Restricting comments does not serve that end.

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I'm with smolin. I do try to find time to offer crits during the wip stage but often it's easier to crit something that the artist is considering finished. More annoying for the artist perhaps, but what they learn can be taken to the new piece. So when I have time, I try to offer crits on the finals too. I do tend to look at the images and make up my own mind before I read anybody elses comments, but that said, I don't think it's "unfair" if someone is influenced by a valid crit.

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Smolin:

And if comments influence someone else's vote, isn't that important too? If an art noob comes in and votes based on his under-developed artistic sensibilities, how is that more virtuous than teaching him something about how to look at art?

NOOOOOOOO! surely it's not just about skill? i often used to vote for the one that i feel best match the theme, not the most perfectly painted. And how often have we all had a glaring error in our work that we are too close to see? To not mention it until the finished thread smacks a little of sabotage to me (don't all jump i'm not accusing anyone)

Art as we always say is subjective, and yes i absolutely agree that for someone who is learning then crits are essential, but i don't think the right place is the finished thread, i honestly don't

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