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Struggleing with colour theroy

Last post 04-22-2009, 11:41 AM by fates_fickle_finger. 16 replies.
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  •  02-07-2009, 12:17 AM 174534

    Struggleing with colour theroy

    I heard something a while back that your could use complementary colours to create more natural highlights. This has been confusing me so if anyone could explain this phenomenon I would be very grateful thanks all

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  •  02-07-2009, 1:27 AM 174553 in reply to 174534

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    complementary colours to create more natural highlights

     

    Do you mind explaining this. You mean a sort of theatrical lighting? Enviroment or Character?


  •  02-07-2009, 8:28 AM 174600 in reply to 174553

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    I mean instead of using white or a lighter shade of the colour your are using you use a complimentary colour, have I got the wrong end of the stick again? this is mainly for characters and rendering flesh i think but it still confuses me. any assistance would be greatly appreciated

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  •  02-07-2009, 10:17 AM 174613 in reply to 174600

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    Hmmm. Still not quite sure, but if its about rendering flesh, perhaps if you paint what you think you're trying to achieve, then I can help with feedback.

    Just concentrate on one area first .eg back shoulders , or a knee or the neck and torso. The rest is about lighting.

    Just imagine skin to be like coloured white paper. (go grab a white sheet of A4 paper) and then move it under a sport light, flourescent light, sunlight, bounced sunlight off a coloured pastel wall.

    These should teach you about coloured light and how you percieve skin tones.

    then paint what you think you perceive, and then ask your question again. (is that a fair deal?)


  •  02-07-2009, 3:22 PM 174666 in reply to 174613

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    i think i kinda know what you're on about phoeni but i think you might have the wrong end of the stick, Marta & Katarina have said in their tutorials that they highlight with a cool blue or a lighter colour of the surrounding as in the reflection of the light hitting the skin. Is this the kind of thing you mean?
  •  02-07-2009, 4:28 PM 174678 in reply to 174666

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    I think so but my tutor was going on the other day how using colours on the other end of the colour wheel can help boost the intencity of the colours. I'll ask my tutor on monday. Also Why blue. that is one thing I never got

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  •  02-07-2009, 4:33 PM 174681 in reply to 174678

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    it keeps nagging at me but i think i've read something about this, i'm sure it was in one of the mags but i can't find it, i'll keep looking. I think blue is used for highlight as it is more natural than white, never use true white, and it stands out more. 
  •  02-07-2009, 4:49 PM 174691 in reply to 174681

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    Generally blue is the colour of the surrounding atmosphere (sky), so that is the reflected colour. If your character is under different coloured light then the skin would reflect whatever colour the ambient light was.

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  •  02-07-2009, 4:50 PM 174692 in reply to 174691

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    banjaxedmdt:
    the ambient light was.

    i couldn't think of the word ambient! lol  


  •  02-07-2009, 4:54 PM 174698 in reply to 174692

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    thanks all

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  •  02-07-2009, 11:06 PM 174866 in reply to 174698

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    I just read all what I wrote and realised it's kind of a rant here, sorry but I am covering colour a bit! 

    Lookin at the 'ol colour wheel, bluey colors are opposite fleshy colours =) so yeah opposite colours compliment, we kinda learnt that once upon a time I remember - I may be completely wrong though :)

    tho my colour knowledge is fairly minimal,

    I think any reflected light can look cool if you do it well - mmm a nice green light can look good,

    if you want some techy jargon, I am reading this book "colour" (second edition, ooh :)

    kinda boring lol probably cos reading doesn't help me much.

    anyway. here's some technical jargon - may or may not interest you, probably not.

    ARTISTS, architects etc. "They may use color in three ways to impose these sensations" - local, or objective color, optical color and arbitary color. <- so yeah 3 ways 

    "Local color is the most natural. It reproduces the effect of colors as seen in white daylight, exactly as we expect them to be, blue sky, red barn, green grass. When the artist has a highly realistic style, the composition is rendered in exact colors and values" 

    "Optical color reproduces hues as seen in lighting conditions other than white daylight: in the rain or thunder at sunset or indoor lighting. Again the compositionn is rendered in a somewhat naturalistic way"

    "Arbitary color allows the artist to impose his or her feelings and interpretations of color onto the images. Here, natural color is abandoned for the artist's choice. A gray stone bridge may be executed in warm oranges and beiges if the artist wants to impart a feeling of vitality and warmth - as in EXPRESSIONISTS"

    K so there you have it, some pointless crap that probably doesn't relate to the thread, but it may be some colour theory that might help someone sometime. I'd go for arbitary colour all the way =))

    What is worth looking into is the different contrast options you can use in your composition - infact as far as i am aware complimentary harmonies etc are nowhere near as important as use of contrasts; well this is what I have been lead to believe in my search for knowledge on creating a sucessful painting. um, so harmonies are not a starting point. contrast are compositional tools, contrast of value, contrast of saturation, and um simultaneous contrast is apparently the most important, er according to my notes. Problem is I have forgotten what simultaneous contrast is - will have to relook it up lol

    if it is a mood you wish to convey in your piece, using colours, maybe a little research on colour psychology would help. though I generally do this by picking colours that make me feel nice hehe, then it's always useful to know other things. like you know when you see a painting, you go ooooh i love this, it is VERY nice to know why you love it, and how you can use it in your own paintings.

    I guess what I am trying to say is I wouldn't worry too much about your opening question, I think you have bigger fish to fry when you are thinking about making a sucessful painting, that thing seems like further down the road. something to think about when you know all the basics, to say blue makes skin looks good doesn't really help a beginner (like me)

    I saw you don't like phoeni, so i might start calling you corndog, or corndawg if we wanna go all gangsta - i might start doing something on your learning thread, seems like you're keen to learn stuff and so am I. and daaamnn there's a lot to cover! it will all pay off one day though =0


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  •  02-07-2009, 11:36 PM 174878 in reply to 174866

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    what the hell is wrong with phoenicorn or phoenic? god damn corndog

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  •  02-07-2009, 11:44 PM 174881 in reply to 174878

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    oh phoenic, yep that works.

    phoenicorn is too long to write out all the time =) 


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  •  02-07-2009, 11:47 PM 174882 in reply to 174881

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    and phoeni annoys you which is just win
  •  04-02-2009, 10:59 AM 192085 in reply to 174534

    Re: Struggleing with colour theroy

    well for natural colours look at photos of real life. try studying them they do really help :) 

     

    my tips for painting skin tones start with a fleshy pink at mid range. create a couple of darker shadows by mixing this colour with a couple of the bg colours. for the highlight use a light blue same as a sky blue. for adding extra tones create a new layer set it to colour mode lower the opacity and lightly paint green and purples around. the eyes and add reds to the cheeks and noes. I hope that helps :)


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