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real crispy looking art

Last post 09-22-2008, 7:55 AM by icegawd. 7 replies.
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  •  09-10-2008, 9:50 PM 133374

    real crispy looking art

    I've been working on my techniques lately and I just can't figure out how to get those defining edges on realistic or semi-realistic coloring. I'm trying to stay away from what I normally work with and thats working with lineart. I find it incredibly hard to define an edge without going into lineart techniques!

    I see so many skilled artists on the forum that get all these nice fine edges on folds and wrinkles without using lineart but for some reason I just cant get it right even though I see how its done I just dont get it right somehow. 

     

     

     

    It's not just humanoids or animals I've got the problem with it's things as buildings, boats and forests. So I was wondering if anyone has a map for me so you can point me in the right direction! :) 

  •  09-11-2008, 12:07 AM 133452 in reply to 133374

    Re: real crispy looking art

    A crisp image usually means it has good clarity in its rendering, so you will have to define your shadow very clearly, and apply the clean edges at the right place. You already have a little bit of that going on in this drawing. Just continue with the highlights and it should look really good.
  •  09-11-2008, 9:08 AM 133519 in reply to 133452

    Re: real crispy looking art

    my main problem is when I begin to add the clean edges I just get the feeling I'm doing lineart instead of true color transitions or what I should call it.
  •  09-15-2008, 6:29 AM 134417 in reply to 133519

    Re: real crispy looking art

    i know exactly how you feel. this is something i've struggled with myself. from one amature to another, let me save you some headaches by sharing my discoveries with you.
    misconception: paintings have no line work. this is just plain false. most painting you find will have linework in them to help define forms and edges. they're just very subtle. most often, these lines will be very thin, and be of a hue thats a bit darker then the base tone of whatever your working on. these lines will also be blended into the form slightly, usualy only keeping one side sharp, with the other gradualy fading into the subject. look around at some digital paintings, paying perticular attention to the edges of the forms. youl probably spot some of the lines when you know to look for them. also,someparts of a painting will have enough contrast to not need a line to help define it. so dont put one someplace it isnt needed. only use lines on places that need the added deffinition.
    methodology: personaly, in my painting i work in grayscale first to get the values right, then add color later. so when i work lines into a painting i just use some shade of dark gray orblack, but from the looks of your sample peice you work in color from the get go. off the top of my head i would reccomend a custom brush preset for painting in your lines. perhaps opacity and flow set to 20% with brush size set to pen pressure, and blending mode at multiply. this will let you gradualy work in a line with the exact amount of contrast you need. dont take that as gospel though, exparament with it a bit and find whats comfortable for you.
    also, never underestimate the importance of rim-lights. i cant really think of a real-world situation where there isnt atleast -some- ambient light bouncing around to produce a rimlight. even if its only a very dim one. rimlights are very useful for defining edges agenst backgrounds of like-color.  
      
  •  09-16-2008, 4:11 PM 134605 in reply to 134417

    Re: real crispy looking art

    I've been pondering about the same things as you then. I have just recently started to accept my weakness with colours and how to set them just right.

    When I work on a piece with color I always end up using to bright colours and it really ticks me off since everytime I work on a new piece I keep reminding myself to work with darker colours but I always and then I mean always end up using the brighter colours to define my pictures shapes when I actually dont need it. It's really annoying to know the problem and how its supposed to be solved... It's as if I'm laying a 10 000 piece puzzle! I know how its supposed to look like and how the shape of the puzzle is but its still hard to get it right.

    This is a subject I would enjoy to discuss more but I always get the feeling that people dislike colour theory. :) 

  •  09-16-2008, 10:19 PM 134662 in reply to 134605

    Re: real crispy looking art

    I don't think the "defining edge" you were talking about has anything to do with color, but maybe you are now talking about something different. Just don't blend the edge where it is supposed to be sharp, then you should be fine.
  •  09-18-2008, 3:08 AM 134979 in reply to 134662

    Re: real crispy looking art

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75768

     

    this drawing has the same problem as your's. scroll down a bit for the most insane paintover with great explanation, hours of theory in a single drawing. courtesy of gregpro.


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  •  09-22-2008, 7:55 AM 135755 in reply to 134979

    Re: real crispy looking art

    Nifty explanation from that link of yours. I'll see when I get the time to sit down and experiment a bit of what I've learnt here. :)
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