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Last post 07-02-2012, 3:29 PM by Conscious Bob. 141 replies.
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  •  04-28-2012, 3:07 PM 383539 in reply to 383537

    Re: Let's start a war!

    That video was just about as bonkers as it gets!

    You were right, it featured some of the best CGI I have seen, but ironically some of the worst too. It is often the same. They combine clever stunt work, physical special effects (such as wired cars being launched through the air and stuff) and explosions with CGI elements to create the otherwise impossible, but when it comes to animating human beings it looked awful. The gravity and movement was all wrong. At times it just looked lazy, like the animators just had to get it done.

    It was still pretty cool though. The car chase sequence at the beginning was awesome!

  •  04-28-2012, 3:19 PM 383542 in reply to 383539

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    I agree with all that 
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  •  04-28-2012, 3:29 PM 383543 in reply to 383542

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    ..... That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen and I regularly watch anime lol
  •  04-29-2012, 1:04 AM 383656 in reply to 383537

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    Re: Let's start a war!

    Chantika:

    One word.

     

    Endhiran.

     

    Go and check some of it out here.....

     

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yysbbPStfWw

    Some of the best cgi Ive ever seen.... 

    Were you being sarcastic? I just watched it, and thought it was uniformly awful and unconvincing. To me, it's a perfect example of what's wrong with a lot of action sequences in movies these days - it's kind of amusingly ludicrous, but it's so over the top that it's not exciting or exhilarating in the way that a well edited, practical effects action sequence is (e.g. anything in Raiders of the Lost Ark or Mad Max 2)


  •  04-29-2012, 5:27 AM 383684 in reply to 383656

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    and its fun 
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  •  04-29-2012, 1:17 PM 383696 in reply to 383656

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    em...:

    Were you being sarcastic? I just watched it, and thought it was uniformly awful and unconvincing. To me, it's a perfect example of what's wrong with a lot of action sequences in movies these days - it's kind of amusingly ludicrous, but it's so over the top that it's not exciting or exhilarating in the way that a well edited, practical effects action sequence is (e.g. anything in Raiders of the Lost Ark or Mad Max 2)

    Hmm, the well edited, practical effects action sequences in Raiders of The Lost Ark may well have been down to traditional effects limitations rather than Steven Spielberg's intentions, he did make Kingdom of The Crystal Skull after all... I'm thankful he didn't get his hands on the CGI toolbox earlier in his career.


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  •  04-29-2012, 2:23 PM 383701 in reply to 383696

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    Conscious Bob:

    Hmm, the well edited, practical effects action sequences in Raiders of The Lost Ark may well have been down to traditional effects limitations rather than Steven Spielberg's intentions, he did make Kingdom of The Crystal Skull after all... I'm thankful he didn't get his hands on the CGI toolbox earlier in his career.

    My understanding is that there was always a very deliberate and conscious effort to do things "old school" and use traditional methods and practical stunts as much as possible in the Raiders series, in order to retain a feel of the adventure serials the films were inspired by. Something that Spielberg insisted was going to be maintained in making Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, but appeared to have been completely ignored when actually doing it.


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  •  04-29-2012, 5:08 PM 383753 in reply to 383701

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    That's the impression I got too, Banj.

    I was thankful that there were so many physical elements in that movie (at least at the beggining of it), but it does seem to have been influenced by the idea that 'the more flashy the better'.

    I was a bit dissapointed by that film in honesty. It was ok, and I was hoping for great.

    To illustrate what bothers me I will use the Star Wars series. I'll admit that I am not a huge fan, I just like the films, but I always enjoyed watching the original three movies when I was a boy and even when I found out how the 'magic' was done, with models of x-wings and the Death Star and so on, I was all the more amazed because they were real and physical. This was especially so with the sets and the some of the models/puppets and make up. The last of the Star Wars films, Revenge o' the Sith, was the epitome of the the issue. there were hardly any sets and loads of the characters were not there. Everyhthing looked artificial and clean. Not in the spirit of what made Star Wars so interesting in the first place.

    Bigger and flashier does not equal better.

  •  04-29-2012, 5:29 PM 383756 in reply to 383701

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    Re: Let's start a war!

    I think it's a over-reliance on CG to "fix" things, or an overestimation of what it can convincingly achieve, that is the downfall of some directors.

    For me, the T-Rex attack in the first Jurassic Park is probably still the best example of how to combine CG and puppetry. Considering it was the first movie to really use CG characters in an extensive way, it's still a million times better than almost anything being done today.

    Why? I reckon it's because a good director knows how to cut around, and shoot around, things that don't quite convince to minimise the screen time of potentially dodgy effects. It's something that Speilberg has constantly done (the shark in Jaws being a good illustration).

    Something I like to point out to people is how little the CG T-Rex actually does appear in the attack scene. Other than a couple of "money shots", it's mainly short cuts of parts the animatronic dinosaur, the effects of the T-Rex on its surroundings, and reaction shots of the cast. In fact, for the end portion of the scene, from when Sam Neill and Ariana Richards go over the ledge on the wires, we don't see it at all (we just hear it, and see the jeep being pushed). Watch it and see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcfTvpqaoXE


  •  04-29-2012, 8:20 PM 383825 in reply to 383756

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    em...:

    For me, the T-Rex attack in the first Jurassic Park is probably still the best example of how to combine CG and puppetry. Considering it was the first movie to really use CG characters in an extensive way, it's still a million times better than almost anything being done today.

    Jurassic Park was also directed by Steven Speilberg, going for CGI at that point was an ambitious move in fact the key dinosaur scenes were originally planned to be animated through stop motion technique. I think it's a combination of innovation plus expert use of traditional methods that makes Jurassic Park such a great film while an over-reliance on CGI later on makes The Kingdom of The Crystal Skull such a let down.


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  •  04-29-2012, 10:25 PM 383872 in reply to 383756

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    em...:

    For me, the T-Rex attack in the first Jurassic Park is probably still the best example of how to combine CG and puppetry. Considering it was the first movie to really use CG characters in an extensive way, it's still a million times better than almost anything being done today.

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  •  04-29-2012, 11:19 PM 383918 in reply to 383872

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    Well, for me the best example of a major movie (or movies) using CGI is the Lord of The Rings Trilogy.


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  •  04-30-2012, 12:08 AM 383921 in reply to 383872

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    Re: Let's start a war!

    Domtopia:

     

    I don't trust this Em... fellow... he reads minds! Stick out tongue

    And he knows all!

     


  •  04-30-2012, 8:44 AM 383945 in reply to 383921

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    OMFG! You know what I just remembered?! Game of Thrones! Tell me you guys have watched it :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHx-kita75Y

    This has to be my favourite scene lol :P

  •  04-30-2012, 11:15 AM 383956 in reply to 383945

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    Re: Let's start a war!

    I haven't seen Game of Thrones, but I'm pretty certain that Peter Dinklage is neither a puppet nor CG.
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