If it was a genuine mistake then she would have come back and apologized, not walk off making a remark like that. She basically accused him of stealing. She might as well have said " That's not your work, you stole it from someone else" , it's the same...
She put doubts in everyone who heard it, not thinking about the artists feelings and reputation at all...I think she was old enough to know exactly what she was doing...I agree with SkekTek, she had no class doing that...if she had class she would have asked to speak to the artist privately and confronted him.then...
hmmm, i never knew that! naughty! how did IFX not know?
Not everyone is as all knowing as Em... except Banj that is.
Actually I did notice the similarity to the Daredevil image em... mentioned when it was first posted on the site. That Daredevil pic is a pretty well known image, in fact it's probably the image that first springs into my mind when the character is mentioned. They even referenced it in the movie.
There is another particular piece from way before that which I'm sure is swiped from something, but I just can't quite place it - I'm not going to link to it until such time as I remember what.
That's easy! Any number of Todd McFarlane's Spawn covers (definetly #1) and multiple interior art panels.
To Conscious Bob's point earlier;
Well, as it appears to me you have a moral stance concerning the act of plagiarism and artists that indulge in it, I wonder if you'll indulge me?
I've a test for you...
In this thread a member called cottonballs00 has posted a suspected plagiarised image along with the potential original image.
I want you to tell me whether or not you think an act of plagiarism has taken place.
And the answer to that question is...yes. On the other hand, legally...no.
Mr. Lopez identifies himself as a graphic artist with aspirations to be an illustrator, I would consider this "fan art". In the description he never stated this was his own idea. If he had the Terminator and the Species alien as well, that would fit his catagory of "the integration of mechanical parts with flesh and organs".
A few of things he did wrong, however; one, you can tell he practically had it hanging in front of his eyes while he drew his; two, he "re-titled" the character (unless that's what he was in the original book); and three, he didn't give the original artist a mention (as of now I cannot find that info, Looks like Sam Keith) as his inspiration for this pic. Therefore, it should not have appeared in the magazine (because they want original art) but, to use your words, 'because of the relative obscurity' it went through.
If Mr. Lopez's intent was to sell (here's the point) this artwork as wholly created by himself, in a court of law, he wouldn't have a pencil to stand on. Unless your counting the free publicity he received from the mag, the arguement for "capitol gain" is not there. If anything the original artist should be given an apology and proper credit.
If it was a genuine mistake then she would have come back and apologized, not walk off making a remark like that. She basically accused him of stealing. She might as well have said " That's not your work, you stole it from someone else" , it's the same...
Yep, that's the meaning of plagiarism all right...
Private or public an accusation is an accusation right?
She came right out and said it which I agree with because accusations should be in the open. She ended up looking stupid which is no less than she deserved because she was wrong.
'Give me some time and I'll figure it out'
'Well I'll save you some time Ma'am because I didn't copy that image'.
If it was a genuine mistake then she would have come back and apologized, not walk off making a remark like that. She basically accused him of stealing. She might as well have said " That's not your work, you stole it from someone else" , it's the same...
Yep, that's the meaning of plagiarism all right...
Private or public an accusation is an accusation right?
She came right out and said it which I agree with because accusations should be in the open. She ended up looking stupid which is no less than she deserved because she was wrong.
'Give me some time and I'll figure it out'
'Well I'll save you some time Ma'am because I didn't copy that image'.
End of.
Accusations don't need to be in the open, especially when it concerns your job and no proof is provided...
There is another particular piece from way before that which I'm sure is swiped from something, but I just can't quite place it - I'm not going to link to it until such time as I remember what.
That's easy! Any number of Todd McFarlane's Spawn covers (definetly #1) and multiple interior art panels.
To Conscious Bob's point earlier;
Well, as it appears to me you have a moral stance concerning the act of plagiarism and artists that indulge in it, I wonder if you'll indulge me?
I've a test for you...
In this thread a member called cottonballs00 has posted a suspected plagiarised image along with the potential original image.
I want you to tell me whether or not you think an act of plagiarism has taken place.
And the answer to that question is...yes. On the other hand, legally...no.
Mr. Lopez identifies himself as a graphic artist with aspirations to be an illustrator, I would consider this "fan art". In the description he never stated this was his own idea. If he had the Terminator and the Species alien as well, that would fit his catagory of "the integration of mechanical parts with flesh and organs".
A few of things he did wrong, however; one, you can tell he practically had it hanging in front of his eyes while he drew his; two, he "re-titled" the character (unless that's what he was in the original book); and three, he didn't give the original artist a mention (as of now I cannot find that info, Looks like Sam Keith) as his inspiration for this pic. Therefore, it should not have appeared in the magazine (because they want original art) but, to use your words, 'because of the relative obscurity' it went through.
If Mr. Lopez's intent was to sell (here's the point) this artwork as wholly created by himself, in a court of law, he wouldn't have a pencil to stand on. Unless your counting the free publicity he received from the mag, the arguement for "capitol gain" is not there. If anything the original artist should be given an apology and proper credit.
Accusations don't need to be in the open, especially when it concerns your job and no proof is provided...
Lol! Now you've lost me Bob
Heh, okay.
When you say accusations don't need to be in the open I agree.
There are two types of accusation, in your face or behind your back.
If someone makes an accusation to your face, it's unpleasant and upsetting. However you know who is accusing you and you have right of reply. If the person making the accusation has got it wrong he or she has to admit they've made a mistake or go away.
The private accusation or allegation is never made to the alleged perpetrator. It's usually directed to someone close by. The beauty of it is if the accuser has got it wrong there's no comeback from the accused. Might be a couple of rumours but that's okay right?
Being politely taken aside by a friendly yet earnest person for a private word to clear up a suspected plagiarism issue sounds good, then again so do most fairy stories.
Lol Bob...you are such a pessimist, not all people are rude you know, they didn't suddenly die out...I'm just not sure what you are trying to prove though? You are changing your mind quite often.... *There is always room for improvement*
Just not sure what you are trying to prove though? You are changing your mind quite often....
I'm not trying to prove anything and I've kept my arguement consistent...
All I'm saying is the upfront direct approach is better than rumour mongering.
Let me ask you a question.
If you had seen an image at a convention and you were convinced it was plagiarised and you decided to take the artist aside for a quiet word, what do you think you'd achieve by doing that?
I suspect that the 'old woman' that made the accusation of plagiarism was in fact a lycanthrope herself and was probably annoyed because of the 'anti-werewolf' content of the image. It was probably just her way of 'having a go back'. Just be glad there wasn't a full moon at the time.
This forum is not about that, so I'm not going to get into this discussion further....obviously that lady shouldn't have accused the artist, but she did....it was rude of her, especially that she didn't have any evidence whatsoever....if the artist really did copy another fellow artist then the achivement would be to catch him out and he/she would learn a lesson, but in this case, the artist wasn't. This situation might have left small doubt in the listeners of this scene and the artist uncomfortable...The lady was rude, but that doesn't mean that she might have not grabbed some listener's attention... *There is always room for improvement*
This forum is not about that, so I'm not going to get into this discussion further....obviously that lady shouldn't have accused the artist, but she did....it was rude of her.
There you go. This poor lady has come in for a hell of a lot of stick. All she did was go right up and say that she thought an image was plagiarised, why is that rude? She was told she was wrong and off she went to find evidence. She didn't bring any evidence back because she was wrong. She was stupid not to check for evidence in the first place but being stupid isn't the same as being rude.
I've said this before.
Conscious Bob:
I don't think she was a nasty lady at all, merely one convinced she'd seen a plagarised artwork. She did have the decency to confront face to face. If someone had a problem with me I would prefer him/her to come up to me and say so.
This is exactly what cottonballs00 did when he posted Danlop77's in here along with the Marvel image for comparison. cottonballs00 came straight to the website, made his accusation and posted his evidence. Danlop77 has the right of reply, whether he does so or not is his decision.
martinmckeown:
Actually I did notice the similarity to the Daredevil image em... mentioned when it was first posted on the site. That Daredevil pic is a pretty well known image, in fact it's probably the image that first springs into my mind when the character is mentioned. They even referenced it in the movie.
