funny enough picasso's earlier works were often highly detailed figurative studies of incredible accuracy.  but you have a good point, he wasnt aiming for anatomical excellance in his cubist phase, but it was still art, and didnt make him less of an artist.

steve

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"what do you mean...I stopped thinking, therefore I disapeared?"

Lycan:

Look at Picaso for an example, he's not good at anatomy some people said, but whatever... he's famous.

 

Jeo, I'm not talking that he's not good at all.

I know about history of him, man. Some people I know always pointing at him as he's not good at anatomy to avoid their lack of skill and knowledge.

So, it was finding characteristic or characterization that matters now. Like drawing 'dead sunflowers' and such. He's good (even great) as a artist with different perspectives.

Please, everybody... Don't misunderstood me at the first class.

Digital artists should find their own form of characteristics too, rite?

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:: Digital Shapeshifter ::

Fair enough Lycan. Re-reading your post I see that I misunderstood, and apologise, although personally, I don't really know anybody, who knows or cares anything about painting, who thinks that Picasso (or any similarly expressive painter) was rubbish at anatomy. Maybe it's more the "artistically ignorant" who perpetuate this idea.

It's ok, Jeo.

I'm working as a painter in my country, I'm from around Asia, Indonesia - Singapore. There will be an auction which don't have Picasso on it but also any other artist that similarity with his style of art. Expressive. Even the curator might said about anatomically things which has NO problem in art, they're experimental and expressive modern artist.

There is no "artistically ignorant" as you said before in my eyes, but there's people out there who might get problem with that.

Anyway, this could be polemic. But share thoughts are great asset for the artist him/herself.

Thanks and cheers. 

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:: Digital Shapeshifter ::

I was thinking of this picasso...

 

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"what do you mean...I stopped thinking, therefore I disapeared?"

okay heres a thing about digital art and the internet. digital art is easyer to display on the internet.  Any traditional artist knows that its a pain to get the traditional art onto the PC not only do you need a good scanner/ a good camera to get good represntations of your work you have to mess around with levels etc.  often this is a deterant for not so good traditional artists to post there work.  digital you just save it as a j peg and bam the arts ready to be published online.  i for one dont scan every sketch i do, i'm starting to so i can fill my arft blog with my sketches but it does get fustrating after a while and alot of time has to be dedicated to scanning the image (especially with an old scanner like mine).  my sketches oftern have flawed anatomy but i try and fix this before i finnish the piece.

unlike tradtional you can get free digital programs.  there gimp obviously, paint.net, open cnvas 1.1 (any other version you have to buy) to name a few, now if theres somewhere where you can get free paints and markers i want to know because i'd be there in a shot, but as far as i'm aware there isnt.  this again makes it easyer for people to get into art. and then its not just paint you need for traditional work... theres the canvs/paper, verious paint brush sizes, a palette, with water colour you oftern need to stretch the paper...which some people dont have the paitence for. theres the space traditional needs... you can need quite alot of space, the easel if you want one or a table. stoage for your work...i could go on.

 the next is the notion that the computure is magic and does the work for you.  this notion obviously means that some people not all dont put the effort in to learn anatomy etc.  there is also the fact that manga is the popular thing at the moment and alot of people learn from how to draw manga books that arnt the best place to learn real anatomy and oftern the fundementals of art are over looked. again i'm not saying all manga style drawings is bad only adding to the problems encountered in digital art.  the excuse obviously if these sought of artists are critizised is that its not bad anatomy its my style.

a lot of new artists turn to digital because of the layers/undo thing, which could also explain the bad anatomy.  traditional art is often seen as intimadating because people view it as if you make a mistake you have to start from scratch which i know isnt the case but thats how its viewed.  because there new to art they make mistakes and oftern people go strieght in to learn colour instead of lighting and anatomy. 

however if you look around theres still bad traditional art out there, obviously digital art is been quite popular at the moment so you tend to see more bad digital art that traditional art making it imbalanced view. recently on a boarded building the concil commisioned a piece of graphitti art and the anatomy is terrible (one arm comes form his sholder to his foot for example >_<) i hate looking at it because its that bad.  i was walking past it and critizing it for how bad it actually was.  i knoow i arnt perfect but my anatomy is better then it, it would make my work look fantastic its that bad :D

theres lots of factors to take into account and i think because we view more digital art and dont really go out of our way to display the crap artists of the past it causes an unfair view on digital art.

wilghaggisis:

unlike tradtional you can get free digital programs.  there gimp obviously, paint.net, open cnvas 1.1 (any other version you have to buy) to name a few, now if theres somewhere where you can get free paints and markers i want to know because i'd be there in a shot, but as far as i'm aware there isnt.  this again makes it easyer for people to get into art. and then its not just paint you need for traditional work... theres the canvs/paper, verious paint brush sizes, a palette, with water colour you oftern need to stretch the paper...which some people dont have the paitence for. theres the space traditional needs... you can need quite alot of space, the easel if you want one or a table. stoage for your work...i could go on.

Hmm, from this I gather you're presenting digital as a 'free' option to traditional but I don't think this is quite the case. There's the cost of the PC to begin with and it's running costs, then there's hardware: scanner, tablet and printer plus inks and paper.

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The Other Self Righteous Brother

thats not at all what i ment at all.   i use a paid for program. i also own a tablet and i'm also aware i need a better PC and a bigger screen maybe 2 and that hardwear is important to keep up to date.  however you do get people who run gimp etc on pcs that cant handle art programs, you see alot whining on DA about it, so it is a factor to take into concideration.  i may not see digital art as a free medium but alot of other people do and it does effect why alot of crap art exsists. 

wilghaggisis:

thats not at all what i ment at all.   i use a paid for program. i also own a tablet and i'm also aware i need a better PC and a bigger screen maybe 2 and that hardwear is important to keep up to date.  however you do get people who run gimp etc on pcs that cant handle art programs, you see alot whining on DA about it, so it is a factor to take into concideration.  i may not see digital art as a free medium but alot of other people do and it does effect why alot of crap art exsists. 

So people that didn't buy but have access to a PC (such as a gift or time on a family PC) or people that bought a PC for a non art related purpose (general internet access) would fit this category of being individuals that could take up digital art at a reduced cost or no cost at all?

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The Other Self Righteous Brother

yes i suppose that does refar to those types of people. however i am not implaying that all art created on this types of pc are crap, sometimes you have to work with what you have got for verious reasons such as not earning enough or even not having a job.  i am not saying that you have to funnel lots of money and have the most up to date pc, hardwear etc. i am saying that it can be part of the problem not the whole problem. (and i dont judge them for not having there own pc, i either use my laptop or the family pc at the moment and are saving up for a better pc for myself to create digital art on, as i said sometimes you have to work with what you have got.)  and alot of new to digital art or even people who dont want to spend alot of money on art presume that as long as there pc works it can run art programs and therefore is cheaper in the long run.  

 

the reason i forgot to include the p cand hard wear  before is because oftern traditional artists have them too so that they can colour correct there work for either publishers, there online portfolio or prints, so that they can scan and stich big pieces of work together and with high res files doing this on a weak pc is very frustrating.  they obviously need the scanner to get there work onto the PC unless of couse they have a high res camera and lights or a willing to pay for them to be photographed.  they need to have a pc to keep there online portfolio up to date so in someways i didnt include the pc because its essencial for both types of art however i will admit its more important for a digital artist to keep there pc up to date then a traditional.

 i'm sorry i'm bad at explaining what i mean when writing :/ 

voluspa:

Everything sensible seems to be said already, so I'll just give you a few tips from Meowza Katz that I read today, and that could be said to have a bearing on the topic:

 1) How to draw anything in 1 step
(Refers to the issue of not being able to paint ears, feet, legs or what have you)

2) How to draw awesomer
(Simple tip: if it doesn't look quite good enough, just make it a bit more awesome)

There are many other er... "tips" on Meowzas blog, as well... So check it out if you haven't before!

Haha, I just checked those out... HILARIOUS!!! I have been guilty of that in the past... not drawing a dog in front (lol) but hiding hands (my weakness) behind the persons back etc. I try to avoid doing that now though. Facing my fear of drawing hands is the only way I'll ever improve!

I am not one to argue. I for one lacks proper knowledge of anatomy. I am still working very hard on it.