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  •  03-24-2009, 10:20 AM 189284

    Workshop Beginner Challenges

    If you're a Beginner at Art and need some help or feedback...this is the place for you. In the next few weeks I'll be working on some projects aimed at those just starting in art. Some of the projects will be digital painting, Gif / cartoon creations, some traditional studies, also projects studying human anatomy, basic elements of design and composition. Things like, how does line quality effect a piece, how do elements like foreground, midground, and background play in relation to each other. What is Chirascaro and other effects in art. These things and just giving feedback to anyone who just wants it on their own peices will be found in here. Please only for beginners.
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  •  03-24-2009, 11:37 AM 189298 in reply to 189284

    Re: Workshop Beginner Challenges

    Carly, this sounds... GREAT! As you can see from posts like this one, I'm currently trying to find the proper direction through the "learning to draw and paint and creating wonderful digital fantasy art" jungle. I have started out trying to follow Vilppu's Drawing Manual, but I tend to skip around - do a gesture drawing here, a little "oil paint workshop" there - and would really need something beginning with the very basics like what you are suggesting here. I'm definitely interested in joining.

    Although I've been drawing periodically my entire life (now 30+), I have never learned the basics in a structured way and would really benefit from what you are describing above.

    So...when do we start? What's our first home assignment going to be? *eager*Big Smile

    Seriously, great initative that I'm really looking forward to participating in. SmileYes

    ~M


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  •  03-24-2009, 12:16 PM 189305 in reply to 189298

    Re: Workshop Beginner Challenges

    Hey MB ! Thanks for the quick response ! lol...hmm...you're too funny and in a great way...and I love LOVE the Prancing Pony...I wanna go there! Poor Old Bill...Poor Old Bill...rumor had it though...he did indeed make it back to the Shire.

    Right...as far as what I have planned here...is a whole bit of mish mash from what I've learned in my college years of art...and stuff out of college I've learned. A combination of traditional and digital stuff....a bunch of things really.

    I just was thinking how cool it would it be to have a place for ...well just people that are beginning at art...maybe they've nevre had "instructional learning" from an "institution" and would like it...there's a whole range of people on here from different backgrounds...I myself from time to time go back to "basics" ...meaning I just literally go back to what I used to do just to learn good hand skills. I'd just hold my pencil in a variety of ways and just make strokes...back and forth...back and forth ..back and forth and do it over and over. Until a few book pages of my sketch book were filled up. Just to get my hand used to really knowing how to make different line strokes...different strengths...different angles..different ways....that helps alot. I had an old college art prof. that taught art history ...it wasn't until later on that I actually had found out that he was an accomplished painter and had sold some amazing paintings to galleries. I was blown away...and he told me..."You know what has made the world of difference for me Carly?" Then he opened up tons of his old sketch books with what just looked like scratch marks...going up and down..up and down...over and over...page after page. Then I noticed after a while the strokes took on a life of their own and he literally starting doing shapes with them...and then he stopped...and said...."look at this"...then he showed me some other sketch books and his line drawings were amazing. I could see just a strong raw confidence in his strokes...he knew where to put them....how strong to put them...where should be the "emphasizing" points in his line...that's how he built up such confidence with his art. That translated into painting then later on to some of amazing huge illustrations he did. I can see on here that alot of people just need to fill up tons  of sketch books with practicing their hand skills over and over. Of course we don't have the time or space for all that here..but I'd really recommend that to anyone ...who wants to be a better "illustrator". Right...ok...so what I do now...I practice every so often on my digital tablet...just making straight lines...curves...just to get confidence with my strokes. Can't you tell when you look at someone's piece if they really meant to do a stroke or not? Doesn't it make a difference optically? Of course it does...so hmm....

    I hadn't really thought about the first project since I just posted this tonight....but I have had some ideas "bubbling in the pot" so to speak. Since right now ....it's just you and I....why don't you post some things and we can work on them together....I was also going to work on basic sketches too...because every artist really needs to occasionally go back to basics and get all the clutter out of their mind. I really believe strong line and hand skills improves your eye skills more...improves your anatomy skills more....that influences your eyes' ability to pick up color theory easier...composition elements...so on...and such.

    So I'm going back to basics myself..personally and thought "why not ask if anyone else wants to come along for the ride?" So here we are:) hehe...

    It's up to you....post something you want or need help on...or I can totally challenge you with the miriads of course work I have with me from school..or from past work stuff....I think the main thing is...just to start slow and build up. There may be some other people on the site that might even be too intimidated by really advanced artists who don't want to post...from being too embarassed or ashamed at their beginning progress. And really and truthfully...we all have things to learn from each other...like me from you and maybe you from me...and yeah...you get the idea.

    So I'm not too concerned about making huge grandiose finished pieces...it's not the destination that counts as much as the journey...it's only once we begin to learn the journey is the destination we begin to learn and grow...good grief I hope I didn't make this too long! So tomorrow I begin...I'll come back here tomorrow and we shall start. Don't forgt to bring some paper...and your trusty number 2 pencil...no eraser...:)

     


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  •  03-24-2009, 1:23 PM 189319 in reply to 189305

    Re: Workshop Beginner Challenges

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    Hi again, well I guess I just have to much time to spend now that I'm not supposed to go to my regular job atm. Leaves some room for learning art basics. Smile

    I totally agree on your idea of the importance of going "back to the basics". I know the importance of (lifelong) rudimental practice from my 15+ years as a drummer. Anyway I've been thinking of what would be the best way to start. I guess step one is that I show you the current level of my drawing and painting (well, especially drawing, since my painting is already available in my gallery) in order for you to recognize which basics to start with.

    I have posted two sketches here in the daily sketch challenge, however I drew them knowing that they were going to be posted. I figured it would give a more honest example if I just took the latest full page from my sketchbook. This one includes a gesture copy from Vilppu's DM, an elf and a dragon I copied from Jim Pavelec's vignette in IFX #42, and two quick sketches I made while watching TV.

    What you write about you and your art profeessor simply drawing lines in order to building up "artistic confidence" sounds really interesting and inspiring - it really makes sense. I guess I'll start by trying just that - simply filling some pages with lines - until you return tomorrow. (Here in Sweden we've just had lunch Smile).

    I also thought that maybe it could be useful if I told you a few areas I felt I REALLY need to work on...   

    - The human body (almost everything that has to do with it - what I have most experience of is probably quick gesture drawings, as both Nicolaides and Vilppu had them as first exercise in their books)

    - Shading/lighting (different techniques, light coming from different directions/sources)

    - Colour theory and picking the "right" palette for a work, as well as color values

    - Would also really appreciate your recommendation on a good exercise that doesn't take a ref or model (that can be done while watching Playhouse Disney with the children or before going to sleep), unless that's the "line drill" we've already talked about? A book that you'd really recommend that I buy/read/work with would also be very useful.

    Should probably mention that my main interest and influence is Fantasy art, primarily of the epic/traditional kind like works by Kelly, Vallejo, Whelan, Royo etc. Any assignment asking for the creation of heroic characters with shining swordsor mythological beasts would be warmly welcomed by this fantasy geek (I guess you've already guessed I'm the LOTR/D&D-kind of guy Geeked

    See you tomorrow then, with a number 2 (like in 2B?) ready to do some serious work Smile

    Oh, almost forgot, here is that sketchbook page I told you I'd post:

      

     



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  •  03-24-2009, 1:25 PM 189321 in reply to 189305

    Re: Workshop Beginner Challenges

    Okay Mind...just did these three quick studies....going from rough to more polished...still all are roughs though...

    first one just line and hand practice....

    the second a rough line sketch....

    the third is the same pic but with some color added and a bit more attention payed to it

    of course you could easily keep adding more steps and polishing up more...I did a tree because it's "organic" and really tends to show off line and line direction more than something man made that is...

     


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  •  03-24-2009, 1:27 PM 189323 in reply to 189321

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    Attachment: line art 1 study.jpg

    first line and hand practice

     



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  •  03-24-2009, 1:28 PM 189324 in reply to 189323

    Re: Workshop Beginner Challenges

    Attachment: line art 2 study.jpg
    second sketch line practice

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  •  03-24-2009, 1:29 PM 189325 in reply to 189324

    Re: Workshop Beginner Challenges

    Third study Line Art With Color Added and Contrast



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  •  03-24-2009, 1:34 PM 189326 in reply to 189319

    Re: Workshop Beginner Challenges

    Fantastic Mind !!!! sweet...ok...here's what I'll do...or what we'll do too....I'll really look at what you got...see where you want to go with your pics...since it's kinda good to have a goal unless we're learning "deductively" which is another way of doing "doodling and scribbling"...nothing wrong with that...but for now...how about "inductive" learning...were we go from starting point A ...next point B....then all the way to the end of C...so on and so on...

    and maybe you'll inspire me to pick my guitar back up too! hehe...right..I need some sleep...off I go...and believe you me...this is helping me just as much as it's helping you....and hopefully more people if they come...it's nice though to keep it to a small workable group...just helps the work flow more :)

     Right...need some sleep...I'm gonna come back tomorrow with my response/s :) ...love your sketches already too...:)


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  •  03-24-2009, 1:36 PM 189327 in reply to 189325

    Re: Workshop Beginner Challenges

    These are some awesome studies. Thanks a lot for posting them, Carly. Smile

    Bye for now, see you tomorrow.


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  •  03-24-2009, 10:31 PM 189465 in reply to 189327

    Re: Workshop Beginner Challenges

    Hi Carly and Mindbender!  I am interested in this challenge as well.  I will get back and go over the posts either tonight or tomorrow.  Have a meeting to go to tonight.  I am trying to set up a camping trip for my Guide Group and the other leaders involved are getting together to discuss what we are doing.  lol I have no clue!!!

    Talk to you later


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  •  03-25-2009, 8:54 AM 189561 in reply to 189465

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    Hi again, Cinders. Great that you also want to join in this! Smile

    Carly, I have given those two first line studies a try in my sketchbook with a 2B pencil. Figured I'd start with a simple line/hand practice today as well, switching to a 4B in order to experience the difference. Won't post any of these here though, it's better that you can start this off the way you intended - don't want us to get distracted from that "First A to B, then B to C"-approach (that sounds great btw). I have, however, posted them in my sketchbook if anyone is curious of what they ended up like. 

    Don't want to jump ahead of anything, just wanted to tell you how inspired I was by those studies you posted and what you wrote. That anecdote with the professor and your focus on line/hand practice really made a strong impression on me. It's like karate kid almost: "Paint the fence...wax on/wax off"...making that motion become a natural part of yourself, an extension of yourself. Hmm...sounds silly trying to describe it in words, but I feel that I really understand what you mean, why you think that basic drilling is important.

    As mentioned I've been playing drums for a long time. When I first started out I was trying really hard to play as FAST as possible, making it sound as ADVANCED and COOL as possible (of course it didn't). The more I've played, however, the more I've come to realize that often it sounds better to REDUCE the number of notes in a fill - adding space. These days I'm more concerned with trying to find a GROOVE than playing the most complicated pattern I can, learning more and more to actually LISTEN to what I - and the others in the band - play. A "less is more" approach, really taking a step back during a guitar or keyboard solo etc.. Trying to FEEL the music, finding and following the FLOW of it. The essence of it. Its heartbeat...

    Looking at drawings by great artists I feel I can sense their ability to capture that same "essence" that I'm beginning to experience (occasionally at least) when playing drums. That confidence and ease that can only come from hundreds of hours of practice. Right now I feel almost like a beginner sitting down behind that kit not quite sure which foot or limb should go where when drawing. The only way to find out, to really be good at creating music with that kit is actually...playing. Hour after hour, alone and together with others, preferably with feedback and instruction along the way. That's the only way and I realize there's no difference when it comes to drawing and painting. Just do it - over and over again. Don't start with a samba, start with a 4/4, maybe just the snare...then add kick drum...then hi-hat...then try to play all three at the same time...keeping a beat...etc.

    Hope some of that comparison to the process of learning to play an instrument makes sense, just wanted to share it, since I feel its strongly connected to Carlys view on the importance of basic line/hand practice. Well, enough of this talking now, got some lines to draw...

    I feel I have a tendency to READ and WRITE about drawing instead of actually drawing. Will do my best to change that, focus on the challenges we'll be given here and do the hard work (not taking it too seriously and still with a happy smile on my face of course Wink)

    Probably should mention that I'm not supposed to do things under a lot of stress and pressure at the moment - so if I will take some extra time with some of the challenges its just out of health reason, not because I don't care or appreciate all your efforts, Carly. Think this is awesome and I'm really grateful for you giving me and other beginners this opportunity. No, now I MUST stop talking an start drawing... 

     


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  •  03-26-2009, 12:21 PM 189886 in reply to 189561

    Re: Workshop Beginner Challenges

    Hi all, this is carly801's wife Sandra.  Carly is going to be out of action for a little while - not exactly sure how long, at this point at least a few days.  He's in the hospital.  He's been sick for a little while now, but it's been getting worse and they finally have something to work from.  They have diagnosed a condition called polycythaemia - which means an abnormally high red blood cell count.  It explains a great deal of the symptoms he has been feeling for the past few months.  It's pretty serious, and they're doing a whole range of tests in the hospital, mainly trying to pinpoint whether there is a cause for it, or if it is primary (meaning no particular cause).  They also have to test that it hasn't affected his organs such as his spleen and his kidneys. 

    Even though he was feeling pretty crook at the hospital, he wanted me to ensure all of you who are participating in his Beginner Workshop Challenges, that he hasn't left you high and dry - he's just away from the computer for a little while.  I know that as soon as he is home and feeling a little better he will be champing at the bit to get back into this challenge - he's been really fired up about it!!

    I'll let you know once I have an idea of when he'll be home.

    Thanks

    Sandra


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  •  03-26-2009, 1:11 PM 189894 in reply to 189886

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    Holy crud Sandra, wish him well from me and I hope he recovers soon.

    Jonny




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  •  03-26-2009, 1:28 PM 189896 in reply to 189886

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    Wish him all the best from the disco king:) Hope he gets well soon.

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